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	<title>Comments on: Fiddling while Rome burns</title>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://charleswear.com/2007/12/21/fiddling-while-rome-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, you remember when I started talking to you about and writing about the need for a dramatic &quot;cleansing of the temple.&quot;  In my mind, that process always begins on the personal level - the cleansing of my own life-temple.  I&#039;ve been asking for that and have been both horrified and humbled by the results.  

My point in that line of thinking is that in Matthew&#039;s Gospel, the crowd of onlookers cheer as Jesus rides a colt through the east gate.  These are the &quot;church folk.&quot;  These are the people who knew Scripture well enough to understand what they were seeing and celebrate it as the coming of the Messiah.  They sang out the words of the Hallel (Psalm 118).  They concluded that Jesus was the Messiah because His actions fit their religious picture of God and salvation.  But He goes on to baffle them by creating a whip and driving people from the temple.  People could cheer sweet Jesus on the little donkey who heals the sick and cares for the poor but the religious folks got bent out of shape when He started messing up their little system.

So that&#039;s a long way of saying, it doesn&#039;t surprise me that you get some religious backlash as the first response to this insightful, humble and well-presented plea for the generations who have already been to the circus and decided they don&#039;t need to run off and join.  What is interesting about the Matthew account of the temple cleansing is that the children (next generation) cheer Jesus as the Messiah because they see Him put God&#039;s house back into priority order.  This is how we&#039;re going to get the attention of the &quot;been-there-done-thats.&quot;  You call a spade a spade - if it thinks like a Pharisee, talks like a Pharisee, loves people with different opinions like a Pharisee... well, you know the rest.

The pain of my heart tells me that we have an American church led and largely populated by Phariseeism.  Not because I want to call people who don&#039;t agree with me by dirty names either... I have written a long series or articles titled &quot;Me, the Pharisee.&quot;  My definition of Pharisee thinking comes from Jesus in John 5.

&quot;You search the Scriptures because in them you think you find life.  But you will not come to me that you might have life...&quot; (paraphrase of the NKJV).

My great hope is that we have people like you who won&#039;t just whistle and look out the window while Rome is in flames.

Peace, Brother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, you remember when I started talking to you about and writing about the need for a dramatic &#8220;cleansing of the temple.&#8221;  In my mind, that process always begins on the personal level &#8211; the cleansing of my own life-temple.  I&#8217;ve been asking for that and have been both horrified and humbled by the results.  </p>
<p>My point in that line of thinking is that in Matthew&#8217;s Gospel, the crowd of onlookers cheer as Jesus rides a colt through the east gate.  These are the &#8220;church folk.&#8221;  These are the people who knew Scripture well enough to understand what they were seeing and celebrate it as the coming of the Messiah.  They sang out the words of the Hallel (Psalm 118).  They concluded that Jesus was the Messiah because His actions fit their religious picture of God and salvation.  But He goes on to baffle them by creating a whip and driving people from the temple.  People could cheer sweet Jesus on the little donkey who heals the sick and cares for the poor but the religious folks got bent out of shape when He started messing up their little system.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s a long way of saying, it doesn&#8217;t surprise me that you get some religious backlash as the first response to this insightful, humble and well-presented plea for the generations who have already been to the circus and decided they don&#8217;t need to run off and join.  What is interesting about the Matthew account of the temple cleansing is that the children (next generation) cheer Jesus as the Messiah because they see Him put God&#8217;s house back into priority order.  This is how we&#8217;re going to get the attention of the &#8220;been-there-done-thats.&#8221;  You call a spade a spade &#8211; if it thinks like a Pharisee, talks like a Pharisee, loves people with different opinions like a Pharisee&#8230; well, you know the rest.</p>
<p>The pain of my heart tells me that we have an American church led and largely populated by Phariseeism.  Not because I want to call people who don&#8217;t agree with me by dirty names either&#8230; I have written a long series or articles titled &#8220;Me, the Pharisee.&#8221;  My definition of Pharisee thinking comes from Jesus in John 5.</p>
<p>&#8220;You search the Scriptures because in them you think you find life.  But you will not come to me that you might have life&#8230;&#8221; (paraphrase of the NKJV).</p>
<p>My great hope is that we have people like you who won&#8217;t just whistle and look out the window while Rome is in flames.</p>
<p>Peace, Brother!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Wear</title>
		<link>http://charleswear.com/2007/12/21/fiddling-while-rome-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Wear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ingrid, I apologize if I have offended you. I did not say any of your activities are &quot;wrong.&quot; The point of my post was merely to say that I think that it is possible that some of the &quot;emerging&quot; theorizers and the &quot;heresy&quot; hunters may be on the wrong part of the problem.
We may be facing a really big &quot;global warming&quot; problem of a cosmic nature if we don&#039;t direct our attention to demonstrating the loving kindness of God that leads to repentance to the rising generations. Is there any chance at all that we could agree on that without the necessity of you and I trading &quot;orthodoxy&quot; zingers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ingrid, I apologize if I have offended you. I did not say any of your activities are &#8220;wrong.&#8221; The point of my post was merely to say that I think that it is possible that some of the &#8220;emerging&#8221; theorizers and the &#8220;heresy&#8221; hunters may be on the wrong part of the problem.<br />
We may be facing a really big &#8220;global warming&#8221; problem of a cosmic nature if we don&#8217;t direct our attention to demonstrating the loving kindness of God that leads to repentance to the rising generations. Is there any chance at all that we could agree on that without the necessity of you and I trading &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221; zingers?</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid</title>
		<link>http://charleswear.com/2007/12/21/fiddling-while-rome-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly are your standards of orthodoxy? You clearly have your own worldview and set of beliefs about truth and the world around you. If it&#039;s wrong to make biblical truth claims, as you apparently believe, why should I believe your claim that you are correct? Aren&#039;t you making a truth claim right there? You believe I am wrong because I point to &quot;heresy&quot; and say it&#039;s false. But you point to my views and say I am false. On what basis do you judge my belief system? I can back up what I say with the Scriptures. You have no authority by which you claim truth aside from your own opinions and preferences. You stand in the shifting sands of relativism. I can stand on something that never changes, the Word of God. We all make truth claims as you have demonstrated with your post in asserting that I am wrong. The question is always, what do I have to back up what I say? You have nothing to back up your truth claims. Nothing but wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly are your standards of orthodoxy? You clearly have your own worldview and set of beliefs about truth and the world around you. If it&#8217;s wrong to make biblical truth claims, as you apparently believe, why should I believe your claim that you are correct? Aren&#8217;t you making a truth claim right there? You believe I am wrong because I point to &#8220;heresy&#8221; and say it&#8217;s false. But you point to my views and say I am false. On what basis do you judge my belief system? I can back up what I say with the Scriptures. You have no authority by which you claim truth aside from your own opinions and preferences. You stand in the shifting sands of relativism. I can stand on something that never changes, the Word of God. We all make truth claims as you have demonstrated with your post in asserting that I am wrong. The question is always, what do I have to back up what I say? You have nothing to back up your truth claims. Nothing but wind.</p>
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